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#1 LukeFranky

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Posted 05 January 2018 - 07:43 PM

Hi everyone,

 

Everything on my car has been running pretty well, so I haven't been able to tinker on it much on the B4. In the meantime I've devised a theoretical way I can switch to parallel instead of sequential at the press of a button, using a bunch of old solenoids I have.

 

The biggest question I have regarding this is the tuning. Will the ECU need any special configuration to cope with this, or as so long as it sees boost within a certain range it will run fine? Keep in mind my car is already retuned with better flowing turbos and other mods.

 

The reason I want to experiment with this is even though the VOD has mostly been removed, on the go cart tracks that I often race on I'm finding the revs fall back into the single turbo territory in tight corners, but only just, and I feel that the car would perform better if both turbos remained active coming out of the corner. I could change down to first, but that's a bitch. Rather than go through the full process of spooling the primary then the secondary, at those revs it would surely be more efficient to spool both at once.

 

Anyway, even if it proves not to give me any power gains on the track, I'd still like to try it so long as it won't cause any tune issues (e.g. leaning out).

 

Thoughts?


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#2 zanzarah

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Posted 06 January 2018 - 10:43 AM

The rpm switch point twin -> single can be changed in the ECU map.

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Posted 06 January 2018 - 12:46 PM

The ecu has different maps for single vs twin mode. It's not hard to control this by editing the maps. Not sure there's an easy way to trigger it with a switch though, they seem to be based on injector pulse width.

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#4 LukeFranky

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Posted 10 January 2018 - 10:25 AM

Hmm, want to avoid getting into retuning the ECU right now.

 

What would happen if I setup a batch solenoids to fully open the ECV and intercooler valve so that both primary and secondary are feeding into the engine 100% of the time?


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Posted 10 January 2018 - 10:39 AM

It will be a laggy POS


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Posted 10 January 2018 - 10:41 AM

Not having any real turbo experience my thought are you'd be essentially creating a situation where it's like running one big turbo with just as much lag.

I also wonder what the exhaust gasses will do trying to go in two directions (if this is correct) at once. - would you need to run individual exhausts from each bank to each turbo?

Here's a "better" thought - replace the primary turbo with a supercharger using a clutch to engage the charger as required. Could be an interesting setup...

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Posted 10 January 2018 - 11:25 AM

Hate to say it but this is the exact problem with the TT. Getting stuck in the vod. The fix is a single lol


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Posted 14 January 2018 - 11:34 AM

Hate to say it but this is the exact problem with the TT. Getting stuck in the vod. The fix is a single lol

As much as I love my TT aids, I have to agree with Nicko.

If you are going to this much trouble, you might as well just go single.



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Posted 22 January 2018 - 09:45 PM

i tried it by setting the ECU to operate in twin mode all the time. it was ridiculously laggy - like driving an n/a car until 5000rpm.

 

if you were to force the valves to operate in twin mode, the car may run - assuming no error codes are triggered, the ECU will still operate on the single turbo fuel/ignition maps until it switches to twin mode as it normally would.



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Posted 23 January 2018 - 11:51 AM

I think he just needs to lower the single turbo return point RPM. Probably down to approx 2500 RPM instead of 3300 RPM

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Posted 21 February 2020 - 11:26 PM

Cn any1 hlp me with this and is it healthy for the car

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