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[twinturbosubaru]

Some time ago we advised that the NSW goverment in their wisdom had been hammered so much about their proposed suspension laws that they went back to the drawing board, well they have now released their new rules, albeit hardly any different from their previous proposal.

http://www.andrewsto..._VSI-50_Doc.pdf

Whilst some items are fair and resonable, and they raise some good points, it locks in the rules and there is NO room for flexibility, it is just assumed that everybody is an idiot and is dodgy when it comes to raising or lowering their vehicles.

So in short, 50mm is the most a vehicle can be raised or lowered before it's illegal, and that's it.

Regards
Paul

[buzzda]

This is sensible:
Raising/lowering up to 50mm

A person may self certify the vehicle if suspension components are compatible with the vehicle

[Shiv]

Yep, seems fine to me also. 50mm is a decent number.

Plus, according to that document - you can still raise/lower your vehicle MORE than 50mm providing you have a Blue Slip done prior to the modifications AND you get an engineers certificate. Yes its an added cost, but it goes some way to making your average motorist safer from people unsafely modifying their suspension (ie; massive lift kits which adversely affect handling.

If only there was a way we could stop people from chopping their springs and hacking up components of their car just for show. Thats where the real danger lies, IMO.

[Matt]

Wow so they finally came out with something

Cheering i got the coilies engineered and my records adjusted a month or so ago as im kinda sure the front would be super close to 50mm

[Morgan]

Damn. I could go 3x that
Can someone with photochop chop me 50mm?

[aekOne]

nice tractor

[Delete This Account]

nice tractor

+1



Can you get an Outback for 20 year olds or only one for over 50's?


My suspension drop is probably more than 50mm. Luckily i'm in SA...

[Sam]

Damn. I could go 3x that
Can someone with photochop chop me 50mm?

I'm in the same boat!! I was looking at 3"

[Shiv]

I was looking at 3"

lol

[SAV84C]

When does it go into practice cause that article doesnt actually state when it does unless i missed it...

[Sam]

lol

What's "lol"?

[Morgan]

I dont know whats needed to make it look like a 20 year old owns it but 3" = 76mm.
Bummer

[Dylan]

mLuke, I reckon you could debate the legality of it all. Considering a Gen3 outback is essentially a Liberty, if you were to fit standard Liberty equipment (Struts + springs) I find it hard to believe that would render the car 'illegal'.

[Morgan]

So you reckon I could drop to Liberty height, then go 50mm south from there? haha that would be awesome

[bobbyjimmy]

I'm pretty sure I'm forked then...

[Xon]

So you reckon I could drop to Liberty height, then go 50mm south from there? haha that would be awesome

Just say it's a kitted Liberty wagon?

[twinturbosubaru]

Well strange thing is technically, if you dropped your outback more than 50mm it's illegal, even if it's then the same height as a liberty, because, the car did not come like that from the factory, this is where there are going to be issues.

What surprised me was some of the reasons for why you need these rules, it's like somebody had a brief like this:

"OK Johnny, your project for the next 3 months is to come up with 15 reasons why people shouldn't modify their suspension and why it's dangerous so that we can justify it to the luddites of NSW"
"15?, but there is only a couple of safety related reasons that I can come up with, how am I going to get 15 ?"
"I don't care, just make sure there is 15 so we can fill the rule document and make it look good, surely people should be aware that changing your suspension can cause shingles or something?"

/employee walks away in wonder at what bullshit they will have to discover to come up with that many reasons.....

Also I'm not sure of the implementation date, you're right it doesn't specify, so who knows, we are talking NSW government here, only the worst government to ever trash NSW.

Regards
Paul

[Xon]

Well strange thing is technically, if you dropped your outback more than 50mm it's illegal, even if it's then the same height as a liberty, because, the car did not come like that from the factory, this is where there are going to be issues.

I understand the need for blanket rules, but surely if you're taking a chassis that was originally designed to be the height of a Liberty, and replacing the suspension with factory Liberty suspension, then technically you are still well within the manufacturing standards. More so even, since you have simply returned a stock car to the height it should be.
Exactly the same "fix-all" solution to be expected from those that came up with the "BAN P-PLATERS FROM HAVING 90kw TURBOTS!" laws.

[Shiv]

Expecting the RTA to know manufacturing standards is asking too much.

[B4TT]

Expecting the RTA to know anything about cars is too much to ask - useless monkeys