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#1 El_Freddo

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Posted 22 October 2016 - 04:22 PM

G'day,

 

So looks like we might have a new subaru in the family soon.  I want to know if an earlier solid flywheel from a Gen1 will fit and work in a Gen3 with the Gen3's clutch setup?

 

Anyone know?  I'm not keen to buy a replacement kit - that'll defeat the purpose of buying this vehicle in the first place.

 

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Posted 22 October 2016 - 05:52 PM

Will be all good along as the clutch is of the same type
Push vs pull

So along as it's out of another n/a it should be fine

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Posted 22 October 2016 - 08:01 PM

how early/late is the gen3?

 

Early had SMF.



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Posted 22 October 2016 - 09:04 PM

I believe it's a 1999 model - would this be correct for a Gen3?  Or is this the build date?

 

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Posted 23 October 2016 - 06:25 PM

Partsouq says it's a dual mass using its VIN :(

That could explain the squeak at idle - it goes away with the foot on the clutch. I have t really been able to get it moving quick enough to know what it's like when moving noise wise.

The clutch is so bad you can put it in first, slowly release the clutch then stop the car with the hand brake without touching the clutch. Or just leave the hand brake on in the first place. Never seen a clutch this bad!

Hoping it's an easy fix.

The car is in the driveway after an epic round trip to Geelong early this morning. A little rough around the edges but perfect for what we want. And finally, it's a 1999 MY00 GEN3 RX Liberty in Mica Green. 330k km on the clock.

Hopefully I can get this on the road with as little money as possible (because I like a challenge!)

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Posted 23 October 2016 - 11:17 PM

Hey Bennie,

 

My outback is a 99 model rev b and it didn't have the dual mass type.

Might be the thrust bearing if the noise goes when clutch pedal is pressed.



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Posted 24 October 2016 - 07:14 AM

My outback is 02/02/99 - 'BH9-KBJ' - and has a SFM.

 

I'm not sure how to interpret partsouq on this:

  • Flywheel Flexible - Note: K0, K1, K4, KA, KS
  • Flywheel Dualmass - Note: E5, E9, EK

I guess the note refers to model codes - but those don't seem to match any part of my VIN.

 

When I spoke to Subaru parts about my car, they weren't sure from my VIN, either, and said many had been converted to SMF due to issues -- the only way to find out was to pull it out.

 

No worries - plenty of manual EJ25's kicking around the wreckers to pull out a flywheel from.



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Posted 24 October 2016 - 09:12 AM

I'm with Simon, a thrust bearing squeak.

 

With the crook DMF in my ex's GenIII, it used to squark like a tortured seagull when you launched it hard.


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Posted 24 October 2016 - 07:29 PM

Well I'll order a new thrust bearing with a new clutch disc. While moving it around the backyard (gently gently!) the squeak was still there at half clutch out. My experience is that thrust bearings generally go quiet once they have some pressure on them.

I'm hoping to have the engine out after work tomorrow so I'll know more then :D

The previous owner said that one day it drove to the store fine, when he came out the clutch didn't seem to engage properly. It's been like this since then. Can a clutch go "just like that"??

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Posted 24 October 2016 - 08:28 PM

My outback is 02/02/99 - 'BH9-KBJ' - and has a SFM.

 

  • Flywheel Flexible - Note: K0, K1, K4, KA, KS
  • Flywheel Dualmass - Note: E5, E9, EK

 

I have seen these codes used in Subaru Fast there parts catalogue.



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Posted 24 October 2016 - 08:51 PM

This VIN has BH9KJ4

Solid??

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Posted 24 October 2016 - 09:27 PM

So if found this:

 

Some of Subaru's Destination Codes:-

EC - Europe LHD
EK - Europe RHD
EH - China
KS - Middle East
K4 - Central and South America
KA - Australia
E2 - Israel
K0 - General LHD
K1 - General RHD
Blank - Hong Kong


No clue on the ER (Russia?) or EL 



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Posted 25 October 2016 - 11:27 PM

Well it's a dual mass flywheel :(

Now working out how to sort a solid flywheel sooner rather than later as I want this back together quickly but don't want the dual mass!

I should start a build thread...

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Posted 26 October 2016 - 11:26 AM

If you are in a hurry, Exedy do a conversion kit that comes with everything - f/wheel, fork, clips etc. and small parts are OEM Subaru.

 

Not cheap though, about $1k retail IIRC.


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Posted 26 October 2016 - 08:37 PM

Nah not going down that path!

 

I'm hoping my old man can grab a flywheel, clutch pressure plate and clutch fork from a Gen2 manual and bring them with him on the weekend.  So hopefully I'll have the engine back in before monday.  I also have to re-boot the front shafts.

 

Yep, I'll get some pics together and start a build thread ;)

 

So, that flywheel and clutch pressure plate will mate up correctly?   I'm going on the fact that my Gen1 EJ22 with factory flywheel and clutch mated to a phase two (8 bolt box) works ok, so this shouldn't be any different, should it?

 

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Posted 26 October 2016 - 09:59 PM

Maybe you can cross reference part numbers between Gen2 and Gen3 on PartSouq or Opposedforces?

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Posted 26 October 2016 - 10:07 PM

In terms of clutch pressure plate part numbers?

 

Totally on it!  Just need to find a gen 2 VIN... *heads to carpoint for rego number*

 

Cheers for the ideas!

 

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Posted 26 October 2016 - 10:36 PM

The only common part number between the two is the throw out bearing.

 

I'll grab the Gen 2 flywheel and pressure plate second hand - and order a new clutch disc from my local.

 

Hopefully that'll get the job done.

 

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Posted 16 November 2016 - 09:34 PM

Job DONE!

 

Gen2 solid flywheel and pressure plate works in the Gen3 as a replacement for the Dual Mass Flywheel.

 

Very happy.  The replacement flywheel looked like it had been machined not long ago.  No hot spots or typical little cracks of a well used flywheel :D

 

So it works!

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Posted 16 November 2016 - 10:47 PM

Good news Bennie,

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