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[neni]

i dont know about that. but im gettn the some work wheels (not going to spoil surprise now haha) in 18" shipped for 1500. according to rota website your paying about the same for rotas. plus i wanna help the aftermarket parts manufacturers by buying orginal stuff, not rocking fake stuff which will send companies bankrupt like ARC

[alexGT]

i dont know about that. but im gettn the some work wheels (not going to spoil surprise now haha) in 18" shipped for 1500. according to rota website your paying about the same for rotas. plus i wanna help the aftermarket parts manufacturers by buying orginal stuff, not rocking fake stuff which will send companies bankrupt like ARC

ROTA 18" wheels are $999.

i severly doubt you could get brand new current model work wheels for $1500 shipped. source?

[neni]

ROTA 18" wheels are $999.

i severly doubt you could get brand new current model work wheels for $1500 shipped. source?

lol regardless of the price rota is cheap imitation copies

you are severely wrong then sir lol challenge accepted! =P will post pick up of invoice and wheels once they arrive =D

[bobbyjimmy]

Rota also make sizes and offsets that the "real" Japanese brands (that are made in China and Taiwan) don't.

[neni]

rota = fake copies of companies who put time and money in to R&D hence the higher price and quality

[neni]

also correction you can get them you just got to order them XD

no hate. if you want to rock rota's that's up to you

[neni]

[aekOne]

Ok personally I like the “premium” Japanese brands as I know they’re quality I can trust. I have Rays on my Liberty (and also had B.I.M/Prodrives) and on my Legacy I had A-Tech Final Speeds (and also had SSR). I’ve got Axis (made in the USA) on my Foz but I’m looking at changing those to Prodrive by OZ Racing when I get my tax return.

That being said, Rota’s aren’t “fake copies”, they are their own brand which make “replicas” of their more expensive counterpart. Most wheel companies do this. For example, they are not saying the rotor grids are TE37’s, they are saying they rota grids (that use a agressive 6 spoke design similar to that of a TE37 style). A fake rolex claims to be a real rolex, there’s a difference.

Also to add to that point, Prodrive GC-06, Rays TE37’s, SSR Type C are all near identical 6 spoke design, all are Japanese forged. The reality is that a popular design is a popular design so everyone gets in on it.

The main difference between an expensive and cheap rims is the Japanese brands such as Rays, Work, Enkei, etc etc use not only regular cast construction but spun casting, semi-solid forging and fully forged as well. A cast rim by these brands is made using basically the same process as a rota’s cast wheels. Again the biggest difference is when comparing cast to forged. that's like comparing apples and oranges.

Comparing anything beyond the initial appearance of say “replica” AU-Racing 229 vs a Volk Racing TE37 is nonsense. None of the manufacturers who make cheaper cast wheels are claiming to use F1 technology. They don’t need to. Their wheels are fine for everyday commuting on the majority of daily vehicles. The differences become much more obvious under extreme driving and performance conditions but this is far beyond the demands of the most drives and the general wear and tear of a daily driver.

A final note to add is that for the majority of people, a set of forged rims is beyond their requirements. If you can afford them by all means buy them (as I do when I can) but saying that buying a cast rim like rotor is wrong or stupid because they are a fake or of a substandard quality is bollocks. A cast wheel is a cast wheel, not a forged one, don’t get it twisted. Also saying buying a brand like Rotor is sending companies like ARC broke is misguided as well. Dulop Volley’s can coexist with Falvatore Ferragamo, Passion Pop can coexist with Dom Perignon, Great Wall can coexist with Ferrari. I think you get what I’m getting at.

I’m not arguing the fact that if you want ultimate quality then there’s a good chance the Japanese forged wheels will give you what you’re looking for but saying that having cast wheels* isn’t safe or that brands like rotor are sending the aftermarket industry broke is ridiculous

Ps: Work use standard casting, low pressure casting, spun forged and fully forged construction in their range of rims.

* i'm not saying all cheap cast wheels are decent quality but the majority are ok for general use. of course there are some that have a below par quality and i wouldn't touch with a ten ft barge pole

[neni]

Ok personally I like the “premium” Japanese brands as I know they’re quality I can trust. I have Rays on my Liberty (and also had B.I.M/Prodrives) and on my Legacy I had A-Tech Final Speeds (and also had SSR). I’ve got Axis (made in the USA) on my Foz but I’m looking at changing those to Prodrive by OZ Racing when I get my tax return.

That being said, Rota’s aren’t “fake copies”, they are their own brand which make “replicas” of their more expensive counterpart. Most wheel companies do this. For example, they are not saying the rotor grids are TE37’s, they are saying they rota grids (that use a agressive 6 spoke design similar to that of a TE37 style). A fake rolex claims to be a real rolex, there’s a difference.

Also to add to that point, Prodrive GC-06, Rays TE37’s, SSR Type C are all near identical 6 spoke design, all are Japanese forged. The reality is that a popular design is a popular design so everyone gets in on it.

The main difference between an expensive and cheap rims is the Japanese brands such as Rays, Work, Enkei, etc etc use not only regular cast construction but spun casting, semi-solid forging and fully forged as well. A cast rim by these brands is made using basically the same process as a rota’s cast wheels. Again the biggest difference is when comparing cast to forged. that's like comparing apples and oranges.

Comparing anything beyond the initial appearance of say “replica” AU-Racing 229 vs a Volk Racing TE37 is nonsense. None of the manufacturers who make cheaper cast wheels are claiming to use F1 technology. They don’t need to. Their wheels are fine for everyday commuting on the majority of daily vehicles. The differences become much more obvious under extreme driving and performance conditions but this is far beyond the demands of the most drives and the general wear and tear of a daily driver.

A final note to add is that for the majority of people, a set of forged rims is beyond their requirements. If you can afford them by all means buy them (as I do when I can) but saying that buying a cast rim like rotor is wrong or stupid because they are a fake or of a substandard quality is bollocks. A cast wheel is a cast wheel, not a forged one, don’t get it twisted. Also saying buying a brand like Rotor is sending companies like ARC broke is misguided as well. Dulop Volley’s can coexist with Falvatore Ferragamo, Passion Pop can coexist with Dom Perignon, Great Wall can coexist with Ferrari. I think you get what I’m getting at.

I’m not arguing the fact that if you want ultimate quality then there’s a good chance the Japanese forged wheels will give you what you’re looking for but saying that having cast wheels* isn’t safe or that brands like rotor are sending the aftermarket industry broke is ridiculous

Ps: Work use standard casting, low pressure casting, spun forged and fully forged construction in their range of rims.

* i'm not saying all cheap cast wheels are decent quality but the majority are ok for general use. of course there are some that have a below par quality and i wouldn't touch with a ten ft barge pole

the majority of rota wheels are complete copy in the deisgn of the jap manufacturers including the jwl stamp which it shouldnt have.

as rota and other "replica" companies are becoming more popular in the future, copy manufacturers will take over as they are the cheaper option for many over the original jap manufacturers. then one day they will hopefully come up with their own design when original manufacturers just stop producing as they cant compete with the price difference which i hope will never happen. yea i know i contradict the point by saying a lot of their monies come from race teams etc but wouldn't you rather by the real deal than copies

Prodrive GC-06, Rays TE37’s, SSR Type C are all completely different designs clearly by just looking at them. but then again i do love my wheels. so to the majority of people they may look the same.

rota aus website first point of their "6 great reasons" to buy rota's is that they are unique. they are clearly copies of the original design.

not saying everyone should go and get forged wheels as a lot of people can't afford to go that way. i personally love wheels and i save for ages, look for ages and wait for ages (wish i could afford air freight haha) just to get the rims i want to put them on my ride. i get a satisfaction out knowing that it is a quality original item. to me if i was to buy rota's it would cheapen the overall car. but each to their own. if you want rota's go for your life. just saying my point. haters gone hate. potatoes gone potate

[neni]

a good read in to knock offs

http://www.bespokeve...tion-knockoffs/

http://www.bespokeve...-of-innovation/

[aekOne]

Look I know what you’re saying and I agree to a point but it’s the way of the world, there are all different types of consumers and price points as people what to be able to make a choice as to what best suits their needs. There’s not much more to discuss but I will reply to a few things:

the majority of rota wheels are complete copy in the deisgn of the jap manufacturers including the jwl stamp which it shouldnt have.

I wouldn’t know specifically as I’ve never been up close enough to a set of rotors to check out stamps and stuff but I love my wheels and can tell the difference by looking at a picture of them. To you they may look the same. They aren’t.

I do think it's bogus though if they are stamping certifications that they haven't received. that's wrong whichever way you slice it

as rota and other "replica" companies are becoming more popular in the future, copy manufacturers will take over as they are the cheaper option for many over the original jap manufacturers. then one day they will hopefully come up with their own design when original manufacturers just stop producing as they cant compete with the price difference which i hope will never happen. yea i know i contradict the point by saying a lot of their monies come from race teams etc but wouldn't you rather by the real deal than copies

High end manufactures have always appealed and sold to a small and discerning clientele. That’s how high end works. Just because they look similar they aren’t. People who buy high end know the difference. The ones that can't tell or don't care don't matter as they would never buy off the top shelf anyway

A 17yo girl who has a Mitsubishi mirage that goes to tempe to buy a set of Star Corps rims was never going to buy a set of OZ Racing. They are two completely different customers/markets.

I’m one of the discerning clientele and yes, I would rather by the real deal than a copy. My sister on the other hand is not.

Prodrive GC-06, Rays TE37’s, SSR Type C are all completely different designs clearly by just looking at them. but then again i do love my wheels. so to the majority of people they may look the same.

You’ve missed my point completely. 6 spoke designs are popular. Aren’t they?? It makes sense to make something that is of a popular design. There's only so much you can do with 6 straight spokes

not saying everyone should go and get forged wheels as a lot of people can't afford to go that way. i personally love wheels and i save for ages, look for ages and wait for ages (wish i could afford air freight haha) just to get the rims i want to put them on my ride. i get a satisfaction out knowing that it is a quality original item.

I think this is the point and I agree with you 100%.

i personally love wheels and i save for ages, look for ages and wait for ages (wish i could afford air freight haha) just to get the rims i want to put them on my ride. i get a satisfaction out knowing that it is a quality original item

Again I agree and like using quality rims on my cars as well. I wouldn’t call $1500 spending a lot on wheels though. I’d pay that for second hand wheels. My Prodrives were almost 4k.

but each to their own. if you want rota's go for your life. just saying my point.

Not sure if you read what I put on my own car but I never said I’d use Rota’s. In the immediate past I’ve had Rays, A-Tech, B.I.M, Prodrive and SSR

but each to their own. if you want rota's go for your life. just saying my point. haters gone hate. potatoes gone potate

All good mate, as you say, each to their own. I’m not hating though, I’m embracing all, only one person here is doing any hating…

[neni]

I meant whoever wants to rock rotas fair enough up to them not meaning you. Yea I guess I am lol.

Anywho sorry op for hijakin thread lol. Btw getn some custom work rims shipped for around 1700 now in 18x9 +20. wat you reckon? =)

[aekOne]

wow that's a good price. where from? which style/colour did you get? have you got your guards rolled and running coilovers? you may get some scrubbing issues with that width.

i've been considering for a while a set of carbon work emotion cr kai's in 18x8 for my liberty. i've always loved those

[neni]

I'll keep the rims a surprise ;p

Yea im going to be running coilovers plus rolled guards

The cr kai's are tuff!

Btw I hate stupid 5x100 lol only bad thing

[aekOne]

haha right. when you getting them?

yeah pretty sure you'll need those mods to fit them. 8" scrubbed my struts and guards when i put them in my legacy and 8.5 strut scrubbed the foz. i have 7.5 on the liberty and they were fine (just) on the guards and struts.

i agree, so many options with 5x114.3! import monster...

[neni]

Got wait a month or two to get made and then 6-9 weeks for shipping. Nar not import monster ;p

[bobbyjimmy]

18x9 +20. wat you reckon? =)

GL getting them to fit.

[neni]

stanced and some neg camber ftw!

[bobbyjimmy]

Some negative camber? You'll need like -4, then the wheels hit the inner guards.
You've got coilovers right? You'll need to up the spring rates so you don't chew the guards out too.

[Matt]

Some negative camber? You'll need like -4, then the wheels hit the inner guards.
You've got coilovers right? You'll need to up the spring rates so you don't chew the guards out too.

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