P Platers now allowed to drive Turbo and Supercharged vehicles in QLD.
#1
Posted 14 February 2012 - 09:10 PM
You may apply for a certificate of exemption if the vehicle you wish to drive meets all of the following:
• has a turbocharged or supercharged engine that is not diesel powered
• has a power-to-weight ratio of not more than 125kW/T
• does not have any other features of a high-powered vehicle as outlined above.
The power-to-weight ratio means the ratio (expressed in kilowatts per tonne) calculated by dividing the car’s maximum engine power in kilowatts by the kerb weight and multiplying the product of the division by 1000. For example, the power to weight ratio of a vehicle that has a maximum engine power of 195kW and a kerb weight of 1667kg would be calculated as follows: (195÷1667) × 1000 = 117kW/tonne
This means that many cars such as supercharged or turbocharged Mercedes, Audi’s and Volvo’s with great 4 and 5 star Ancap ratings are now available to P Plate drivers.
Source: http://www.tmr.qld.g....-vehicles.aspx
By my calculations, my Auto B4 could be driven by a P Plater here now with its 118kW/T standard, but not the Manual. A GC8 WRX could not because its only just too light, 126kW/T standard. It opens up many other Subaru Models to P Platers. Some of these cars could be stealth modified with an ECU tune to make well over the specifications but I can't see them Dyno running every car they give an exemption to, they'll likely just use Redbook standard values.
I got my license when our P plater laws where so relaxed I didn't even need to display my P plate (back in 05/06). It got very strict very quickly the following year. But they are starting to iron it out now it seems
#2
Posted 14 February 2012 - 09:22 PM
This is what i was going for.
Unlike New South Wales though, the Queensland government at least has the littlest bit of intelligence.
Jordan - MY02 Forester GT - Sydney
#3
Posted 14 February 2012 - 09:23 PM
Fingers crossed one day they come to their senses.
Cheers,
Shazza
I put up with people from amnesty, red cross and now the cancer council almost daily hounding me!! Throw in the greens, green peace, unhcr, save the forking children and I've well and truly hit my limit for the number of fuckstains wanting me to sign something or give money. Seriously cubts, right off.
#4
Posted 14 February 2012 - 09:31 PM
Yet neither governments have yet to introduce mandatory driver training as part of the provisional license scheme.
Fingers crossed one day they come to their senses.
Cheers,
Shazza
THIS!!!!
#5
Posted 14 February 2012 - 09:41 PM
Jordan - MY02 Forester GT - Sydney
#6
Posted 14 February 2012 - 09:42 PM
I think they just hope that after 120 hours (faked for the most part) is enough to justify not having a proper driver training course. I did about 40 hours probably, until my driving instructor thought I was ready to take the P plater test.
I think people will be pretty upset if they have to pay for a driver training course ontop 120 hours of driving. But to be honest every young driver should be forced to lose control of the vehicle and recover. People learn from their mistakes and in a controlled environment that would be very beneficial. Might even scare a couple people into not driving like a dickhead.
#7
Posted 14 February 2012 - 09:53 PM
Do you mean like a performance/safety course on a skidpan/track? I think you have to clock up a certain amount of hours here with a driving instructor... not sure though.
I think they just hope that after 120 hours (faked for the most part) is enough to justify not having a proper driver training course. I did about 40 hours probably, until my driving instructor thought I was ready to take the P plater test.
I think people will be pretty upset if they have to pay for a driver training course ontop 120 hours of driving. But to be honest every young driver should be forced to lose control of the vehicle and recover. People learn from their mistakes and in a controlled environment that would be very beneficial. Might even scare a couple people into not driving like a dickhead.
The argument why they arent doing it, is because it is teaching kids how to hoon/beadickhead, and that they will end up doing it more on the street.
Jordan - MY02 Forester GT - Sydney
#8
Posted 14 February 2012 - 09:54 PM
Skid pans, rally tracks, defensive courses. Anything and everything.
They don't let you drive over 80km/h on your L's, then stick you in a car by yourself and expect you be a perfect driver. There's ONE statistics point to P platers as being bad drivers and it's because they don't know how to use a car properly.
#9
Posted 14 February 2012 - 10:01 PM
#10
Posted 14 February 2012 - 10:01 PM
MY07 GT spec B
#11
Posted 14 February 2012 - 10:05 PM
#12
Posted 14 February 2012 - 10:30 PM
/sense.
Get out of my thread.
#13
Posted 15 February 2012 - 07:22 AM
time flies, when i look back i'm glad i didn't have a turbo car on my p's.
+1
#14
Posted 15 February 2012 - 07:27 AM
i took a driver training day at oran park when i was on my Ls, best thing ive ever done and i recomend it to any young driver and think it should be part of getting your Ps, yer after 120 hours you can drive a car but what about when something happens, some one pulls out of a side street infront of you etc. ive used the skills i lernt there (and motorkhana since i was 13) to get me out of so situation other drivers put me in, eg, so fuckwit cut me off, just pulled out of a side street infront of me, i was in a iload van with 7 ppl in to it (workshop bus for picking ppl up etc), could have jumped on the brakes and gone into the drivers door, but used what i lernt and got around him with out a scratch. was on my red Ps then. oppy lock iload anyone? not fun.Yet neither governments have yet to introduce mandatory driver training as part of the provisional license scheme.
Cheers,
Shazza
also, fark, if nsw did this, id neck myself, i want boost badly and only got 9 days till i can get my fulls. i think you would see a stack load of gt fozzys getting around with sleeper mods and p plates. but im happy in a way i havnt been able to drive turbo as its given me time to learn about everything and get the time driving and no the road, but verry soon it will be turbo time for me.
#15
Posted 15 February 2012 - 07:58 AM
#16
Posted 15 February 2012 - 08:45 AM
haha p-platers could drive turbos and V8's when i got my licence
Same.
Had a 365rwkw Soarer on my Red P's.
I put up with people from amnesty, red cross and now the cancer council almost daily hounding me!! Throw in the greens, green peace, unhcr, save the forking children and I've well and truly hit my limit for the number of fuckstains wanting me to sign something or give money. Seriously cubts, right off.
#17
Posted 15 February 2012 - 08:50 AM
#18
Posted 15 February 2012 - 08:55 AM
Same.
Had a 365rwkw Soarer on my Red P's.
haha yeah well on my red p's i had a POS honda prelude vti-r with about 9kw
#19
Posted 15 February 2012 - 09:04 AM
What's the point in requiring 120 hours of experience if the person teaching them to drive will let them cruise along with one arm hanging out the window while half turned around in their seat chatting to their friends in the back? Don't hold your breath waiting for a grain of intelligence to creep into RTA policy.
Well done to QLD though. Looks like those rules would qualify a P plater to drive a WRX?
I would have gone to the kitchen, collected a brown bag, dropped my dacks, pinched off a loaf in said bag, done up dacks, stickytaped bag, placed bag in envelope, and mailed it right to your face for being such a tool.
It's ok, sometimes when we herp, we also derp.
#20
Posted 15 February 2012 - 12:08 PM
Lol, I'm happy with what i got for now, but i am pissed off, would have made the car hunt heaps easier.
You know what would be nice? a 6th gear lol.
In a way im glad i have a N/A in others i still want more power... I think driver training should be mandatory, but... I have been on my P's for two weeks, and i have learnt way more then i did during the 100 hours of my L's.
Its one thing to be instructed, its another to figure it out yourself.
Last weekend i went to Townsville, Massive learning curve going from a small town to a large city, i think in many ways it has made me a better driver and i have learnt a lot from it.
I personally think the hours should be cut, the test should be a little more thorough, and people should be allowed to go somewhere and practice driving, Not just following rules. Following rules never made anyone a good driver, it made them a law abiding driver but not a good one. Its pushing the boundary's and finding the limit and learning how to control the uncontrolled. We learn from mistakes. We learn quickly when we break $400 worth of car parts.
Thats how i have learnt anyway. I like to think of myself as a better driver then the average, but im no pro. I want to get into track work and that kind of stuff, nothing like reaching the limit in a safe environment.
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