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[Ben_20EJT]

I think you told me the swaybar colour. Unless its changed now!

always been the same colour combo ahahaha, so youd probs be on the money with what you thinking.

[Adam]

Good one

[Ben_20EJT]

ok, so the car is stuck at a trusted mates workshop after being inspected fully and the car isnt happy, rear diff bushes are hanging out of it, rear arm bushes are rooted, axel seals are leaking, dump pipe has to be tosted and a new one made, needs brake upgrades front and rear, needs carbon canistor as its missing, structual braces are missing .......................... list gose on and on. all befor i even look at getting it street legal.

so dont be exspecting to see the wagon around any time soon

[Matt]

Carbon cannister? Does the gen3 even have one? Pretty sure mines never had one

Or is it something off the sti engine?

[Ben_20EJT]

Carbon cannister? Does the gen3 even have one? Pretty sure mines never had one

Or is it something off the sti engine?

every new car has to have one by law, if you dont there are big fines and defects.

[Matt]

I never had one on the rx motor? Unless its in the fuel tank or somethin?

[Ben_20EJT]

I never had one on the rx motor? Unless its in the fuel tank or somethin?

i think they are under the rh rear of the car in the gen3s, small flat black box.

[Matt]

Hmmm i might have to have a look see this arvo, never noticed it before

[Ben_20EJT]

Hmmm i might have to have a look see this arvo, never noticed it before

yer mate, no worrys, if you done have one, id be getting one.

[Matt]

So was yours removed by shaz? or just never there?

[FR34KO]

If we dont have one and its missing not because its been taken off or fallen off, we dont need one, as its passed ADRs and we cant be fined for something our cars weren't made with..

[Adam]

Just put a lump of burnt timber in the enjin.

/problem

[FR34KO]

^hahaha problem solving from and for the experts

[Shaz]

Ben,

Have a read of this mate. This is what I followed when modifying the car. From what I can understand, as the EJ20 is 0.5L less displacement then what the original engine displacement was, hence not requiring an engineering certificate. Just a engine number change. Also, as the EJ20 is a manafacturer fitted motor on the same chassis (Legacy), this just adds to the fact you DONT need to get it engineered, so long as the brakes are upgraded to either the same as what the facotry fitted were on the same model car, or bigger. The link below shows what changes need and dont need to be engineered, and the majority of mods the wagon has, don't need to be done.

The National Code of Practice is what the laws are in clear black and white. I was referred onto that from an engineer as a base model for modifications.

http://www.infrastru...1jan2011_v3.pdf

Also, if you wanted to se what other modifications, OTHER then the engine, click on the below link, and that will show you the guidelines for everything.

http://www.infrastru...n/vsb_ncop.aspx

[Marv]

Ben, have a look at B4s and Gen3 Legacys - I'm 99% sure they do not run that brace from the factory as there is not adequate room for a STOCK dump pipe (need min 15mm of clear air all 'round to pass roadworthy/engineer).

From what I can understand, as the EJ20 is 0.5L less displacement then what the original engine displacement was, hence not requiring an engineering certificate. Just a engine number change. Also, as the EJ20 is a manafacturer fitted motor on the same chassis (Legacy), this just adds to the fact you DONT need to get it engineered, so long as the brakes are upgraded to either the same as what the facotry fitted were on the same model car, or bigger. The link below shows what changes need and dont need to be engineered, and the majority of mods the wagon has, don't need to be done.

Not true, Shaz. You've gone from an NA to FI motor (and an EJ20K, not the TT EJ208 the Gen3 Legacys had), therefore the emissions aren't to the spec of an FI Gen3 or an NA Gen3. Ben should have to pass an emissions test to be anywhere near legal on NSW roads, mate. Particle count and noise. If the engineer says he doesn't that's great, however you're leaving yourself open to still be raped by the RMS/HWP as they can put you over the pits and your engineer's cert won't mean shit.

The National Code of Practice is what the laws are in clear black and white. I was referred onto that from an engineer as a base model for modifications.

NCOP have NOT been ratified in any state YET. You still go off the RTA/RMS's Code of Light Vehicle Modification.

[Shaz]

Are you sure about that Iain?

The engineer I spoke too was faitly adament that if you followed the NCOP regulations, that it is fine.

Also, if you have a look at Section 1.1 "Fitting a manafactuers optional engine together with any associated components as supplied by the manafactuer on the same model vehicle", that was the thing I queried the most. As the Legacy came with a "EJ20" engine number, he assured me that regardless of what generation EJ20 (K, J, EFG) it would still be classed as a manafactuers option engine, and hence not requiring an certifcation.The engine change isn't greater then 120% of the original power output, so i'm guessing thats why he said that it required only an engine number change.

I can understand wanting to get an emissions test regardless, and that shouldn't be an issue as it is running factory computer, injectors and a big cat / muffler combo.

Also, with regard to that brace, I'm also 99% sure that the FI Gen 3's don't run it either.

Cheers,
Shazza

[Matt]

Ben, have a look at B4s and Gen3 Legacys - I'm 99% sure they do not run that brace from the factory as there is not adequate room for a STOCK dump pipe (need min 15mm of clear air all 'round to pass roadworthy/engineer).

Id be keen to know whether they run this brace aswell!

[Marv]

Yep, 100% sure NCOP has not yet been enacted/legislated. And it hasn't even been set in stone/ratified in each state so you're taking a risk engineering a car under NCOP when different regulations may yet change! Unfortunately, there is A LOT of misinformation out there ATM.

You're right about the engine being small enough and an option, however the twin turbo/single turbo/generational changes between the 3 engines means you'll need an emissions test... well, you SHOULD.

[Shiv]

i think they are under the rh rear of the car in the gen3s, small flat black box.

Yup that's correct. Its where I mount my GoPro.

Hope the fix isn't too costly Ben!

[Ben_20EJT]

Hope the fix isn't too costly Ben!

thanks mate, im lucky i have a few mates that are able to help me out alot