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[Evil_VZ-T]

You really shouldn't comment on things you have no idea about.

It did not cost $16k.

It has had two tunes and made 140kw atw. It takes time to develop the potential of an engine. A bit longer than transferring a dirty old noisy, leaky Legacy half cut into a different body.

You have no idea what a H6 early Liberty drives like so why do you assume it is "only good for towing".

This car is pioneering and interesting. People from Australia and the US are interested in it's progress and results. A bit like your conversion was interesting in 1995.

Its original, and i like it. Its not the same usual conversion done to the Gen2's.

But, The expectations of it being a ball tearer and fast street car are abit out of reach,

A RS/wrx with a few bolt ons will still give it a run for its money and come out on top.

As for it "being good for towing" Its going to handle Like a bucket of crap, the chassis was not designed for that motor to be in it, The weight being a major difference.

The suspension and chassis was designed together to work as one to create a great over all package. this is severely destroyed as now you have a massive change in weight and balance.

Id love to see it go around a track,

[Blaeven]

i'm heaps happy with the outcome... regardless of cost... and i'd much rather have my engine than a similar powered turbo... throttle response + epic torque = win!!

[jzk25]

Well then tell me.
If they're tuned to the point that they need 95/98ron from the factory to avoid pinging and manage 180kw@fly.
I'd imagine they can make more with a better exhaust setup. I'd guess at another 10-20kw@flywheel.

So realisticly what is achievable without spending a rediculous amount of money, or making it undriveable?

I'm by no means saying it won't make more power. How ever I am skeptical, at the end of the day it is a 3ltr NA.

Who knows what's possible, but I think it is safe to say that you probably don't.
If he gets bored with the power I will suggest that he goes to one of the sydney tuners that specialise in NA performance as they will have a better idea of where the limits are.

And if that isn't enough I have routed all the wiring for the Vipec specifically so that is away from any turbo(s) fitted.

You need to go and do some sh!t to your car, you spend too much time on here being bitter.

[alexGT]

when you hitting WSID mate? will be keen to bring my wagon up and see if i can crack a 12!

[jzk25]

Its original, and i like it. Its not the same usual conversion done to the Gen2's.

But, The expectations of it being a ball tearer and fast street car are abit out of reach,

A RS/wrx with a few bolt ons will still give it a run for its money and come out on top.

As for it "being good for towing" Its going to handle Like a bucket of crap, the chassis was not designed for that motor to be in it, The weight being a major difference.

The suspension and chassis was designed together to work as one to create a great over all package. this is severely destroyed as now you have a massive change in weight and balance.

Id love to see it go around a track,

Again! Do you even know how much an EZ30 weighs? Do you know how much of the weight is forward of where the EJ20 turbo's weight is? FFS dude, you are an apprentice mechanic not a chassis engineer.
You make assumptions to suit your own argument and attitude and they are wrong.

Where was it said that it would be a ball tearer? It is a fairly quick street car with excellent throttle response and a good spread of power. If you had ever driven one you might know this.

[Blaeven]

when you hitting WSID mate? will be keen to bring my wagon up and see if i can crack a 12!

not sure... someone arrange a group thing and i'll rock up... i dunno what to expect... or what is fast... i'd be happy with a 14 something...

Again! Do you even know how much an EZ30 weighs? Do you know how much of the weight is forward of where the EJ20 turbo's weight is? FFS dude, you are an apprentice mechanic not a chassis engineer.
You make assumptions to suit your own argument and attitude and they are wrong.

Where was it said that it would be a ball tearer? It is a fairly quick street car with excellent throttle response and a good spread of power. If you had ever driven one you might know this.

afaik the ez30r weights the same as a twin turbo liberty engine (with the turbos and manifold and stuff)...

and the car should also weight just under 1300kg even with the H6...

it might not be a ball tearer, but don't underestimate the power of throttle response and light weight...

al drove it when it was only 122kw and afaik he was impressed with it... he also commented on how light the car felt...

[alexGT]

are you getting it engineered? if so they will put it on the weighbridge to make sure it hasnt affected any ADR's too much. my wagon was 1435kgs (1425 standard) with half a tank of juice after my conversion. (bigger brakes etc etc all the extra stuff adds up)

[Blaeven]

are you getting it engineered? if so they will put it on the weighbridge to make sure it hasnt affected any ADR's too much.

my wagon was 1435kgs (1425 standard) with half a tank of juice after my conversion. (bigger brakes etc etc all the extra stuff adds up)

i dunno...

i know i need to... but i don't think it will pass... it's so friggin loud...

what revs do they test the exhaust volume at...?

[ams]

Tristan.

Saw the youtube videos. Sounds freaking sweet man.

For the sound alone I think it was worth it.

+ 11'ty!

Those 2nd two vid's out in the open under full beans sounds the shit!!

[Blaeven]

Tristan.

Saw the youtube videos. Sounds freaking sweet man.

For the sound alone I think it was worth it.

thanks man...

in the flesh it sounds even more epic... sorta like a skyline/supra/porsche... *shrug* i dunno what to compare it to...

are sydney peeps doing photos this weekend?? i'll take you for a spin...

[DRIVER]

dyno chart... first (blue) line was with the 2.25 exhaust... i think a twin setup (or a bigger exhaust) might free it up more up top...

sorry about the crappy pic:

Thumbs up mate, very nice i like it... the vids are awsome espesh the pick up in speed and the rev guage going all out nice power mate...

[alexGT]

i dunno...

i know i need to... but i don't think it will pass... it's so friggin loud...

what revs do they test the exhaust volume at...?

you will because its a different engine to what was originally intended for the car, increase in power and weight need to be checked that the chassis can handle it. as well as all details be changed within the RTA to show that its been modified, that way if you have an accident your insurance company wont fob you off. otherwise once they take a look under the bonnet if you have a prang they will tell you to get stuffed!!! gotta cover all your bases mate.

[DukeNik'em]

you will because its a different engine to what was originally intended for the car, increase in power and weight need to be checked that the chassis can handle it. as well as all details be changed within the RTA to show that its been modified, that way if you have an accident your insurance company wont fob you off. otherwise once they take a look under the bonnet if you have a prang they will tell you to get stuffed!!! gotta cover all your bases mate.

Tristan to Insurance company"Wo, how did those extra two cylinders get there....? Is this even my car? I had an untouched 4cyl stocker, honest...."

Nah this is ace Tristan, with all the discussion about weight and what not, I'm going to go out on a limb and assume, purely from the naked eye, that the GEN II sedans are roughly the same size as a MY03-05 Impreza, when I had all the Soobies side by side they were fairly same sized, and the GEN III was way larger than the GEN II, so it's not like your putting a heavy (sif it is) engine in a heavy large car by modern standards, and come on, the STi used to have a whole horde of crap under the bonnet, way heavier than a H6 especially considering your bay is fairly neatened up. And I'm fairly confident in you pulling some good figures out of it, what it's been like a week or 2 since it was finished, only on the tip of the iceberg tuning wise. Ignore all da haterz.

Nick

[Shiv]

Wow Tristan, seeing your car on the dyno making THAT sound plays tricks with my head haha, I can't believe its yours! Sounds proper nice when going through that tunnel aye

[Blaeven]

Tristan to Insurance company"Wo, how did those extra two cylinders get there....? Is this even my car? I had an untouched 4cyl stocker, honest...."

Nah this is ace Tristan, with all the discussion about weight and what not, I'm going to go out on a limb and assume, purely from the naked eye, that the GEN II sedans are roughly the same size as a MY03-05 Impreza, when I had all the Soobies side by side they were fairly same sized, and the GEN III was way larger than the GEN II, so it's not like your putting a heavy (sif it is) engine in a heavy large car by modern standards, and come on, the STi used to have a whole horde of crap under the bonnet, way heavier than a H6 especially considering your bay is fairly neatened up. And I'm fairly confident in you pulling some good figures out of it, what it's been like a week or 2 since it was finished, only on the tip of the iceberg tuning wise. Ignore all da haterz.

Nick

you should see the engine bay without the cover under there... it looks so empty (albeit with a massive engine in there... lol)

oh, and i haven't even had it back a week yet... i'll be a week tomorrow... and even then, it's only been tuned since monday...

oh, and the tune is very conservative... with a tougher tune (more timing pulled and the engine leaned out [it's running rich to keep it safe]) and better exhaust, i think that i could probably see another 10-15kw atw...

from there it's a decision whether i want to do some more NA mods to it or hold out till i want to feed it some boost...

either way though, it will be staying in it's current state for quite some time... as my bank account hates me so much right now and no matter which path i decide to go down i'll need heaps of money...

Wow Tristan, seeing your car on the dyno making THAT sound plays tricks with my head haha, I can't believe its yours! Sounds proper nice when going through that tunnel aye

when you wanna catch up to get that cable... you can hear the car in person too...

[Shiv]

I'm free tomoz, I'll give ya a buzz, k

[Richo]

sorta like a skyline/supra/porsche.

really (to me anyhew) sounds like a supra from the incar vids with a slight burble (bab bab bab thing going on... you know what I mean)

<3 <3 <3 <3

You happy with it ? seems like you are

[alexGT]

Tristan to Insurance company"Wo, how did those extra two cylinders get there....? Is this even my car? I had an untouched 4cyl stocker, honest...."

Nah this is ace Tristan, with all the discussion about weight and what not, I'm going to go out on a limb and assume, purely from the naked eye, that the GEN II sedans are roughly the same size as a MY03-05 Impreza, when I had all the Soobies side by side they were fairly same sized, and the GEN III was way larger than the GEN II, so it's not like your putting a heavy (sif it is) engine in a heavy large car by modern standards, and come on, the STi used to have a whole horde of crap under the bonnet, way heavier than a H6 especially considering your bay is fairly neatened up. And I'm fairly confident in you pulling some good figures out of it, what it's been like a week or 2 since it was finished, only on the tip of the iceberg tuning wise. Ignore all da haterz.

Nick

its waaaaaay more complicated than that. completely different vehicles. STI's are BUILT that way, hence they are designed for it... all i am saying is you need to cover yourself incase of an accident. even if someone runs into you and they go to checkout the vehicles and say whats this different engine etc etc...

[DRIVER]

At least it dosent fart anymore Tristan which is good....lol