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[Blaeven]

I'm off today... need to detail the car but it's raining at the moment. was going to have a play with the ecu aswell then take it for a test drive. so really i can head out there any time

alright mate, i just spoke to the guy at Cardiff, he has a couple of sets of Tiens available for gen2 sedans...

if you give me a call when you get out there (i'll pm you my mobile number) he said i can pay over the phone... so i'll do that...

thanks heaps man... i'll owe you one...

[Jeff]

No probs at all.... I'm just going to flash the car and then head out there..... ring u in about 20-30min

[B4TT]

Ok Dude I got some hard facts for you, I did remember reading them but now I have it straight from the RTA's mouth. If the engine mounting points differ you need an engineers certificate, if the capacity of the engine is 15% larger then what was originally in the vehicle it will need an engineers certificate and emissions test before it can go for a blue slip, if the power increase is more then 15% over standard it will also need to go for an emissions test and get an engineers certificate. So consider all this

[Blaeven]

Ok Dude I got some hard facts for you, I did remember reading them but now I have it straight from the RTA's mouth.

If the engine mounting points differ you need an engineers certificate, if the capacity of the engine is 15% larger then what was originally in the vehicle it will need an engineers certificate and emissions test before it can go for a blue slip, if the power increase is more then 15% over standard it will also need to go for an emissions test and get an engineers certificate.

So consider all this

will it have a problem passing emissions and getting an engineers cert?

No probs at all.... I'm just going to flash the car and then head out there..... ring u in about 20-30min

thanks man

[Dylan]

Hmm.. Josh - My EJ20T is over 15% of the original power of the EJ25 I had in there yet I did not need to go for emissions or engineers cert. ? The trouble is that a lot of this stuff is not clearly defined by the RTA, and there are grey areas. Tristan it might be worth phoning the RTA to ask them about it.

[ams]

Tristan it might be worth phoning the RTA to ask them about it.

Start the call with "a friend of mine is doing a conversion..."

[Soop]

You only need a cert if you get pulled over . Insurance will want to know whats been done though.

[Blaeven]

also, didn't the gen2 come out in a GT version... with about 200kw??? it's not really more powerful than the best engine the Gen2 ever got... though it is a capacity increase... it will probably need one, but how difficult/expensive is it to pass one?? just spoke to Jeff... he's picking up some tiens as we speak... so i should have new suspension before next months meet fellas...

[B4TT]

Hmm.. Josh - My EJ20T is over 15% of the original power of the EJ25 I had in there yet I did not need to go for emissions or engineers cert. ?

The trouble is that a lot of this stuff is not clearly defined by the RTA, and there are grey areas.

Tristan it might be worth phoning the RTA to ask them about it.

May be so, you might find you got lucky in that respect but you also probably should have one, the guy I spoke to at the RTA said that with this kind of conversion (I explained to him in detail with no names obviously ) he said that one would definatly be required.
Even if you were to get it through registration without one (somehow) if you are to have an accident your insurance wont cover you at all (car will be deemed to not be roadworthy) and also slap you with some very very nasty fines for not having the car complianced as far as emissions go (even if your car can meet them it hasn't been tested to prove this prior).

I would strongly suggest that even you Dylan get an engineers cert to cover your own ass, I do know for a fact that you can get into a fair bit of shit if you don't.

Not trying to be nasty just trying to help you guys out in not been raped by RTA guidlines and goverment emission laws.

[Blaeven]

yeah, good lookin out man... i'll be getting one... it's just a matter of how, where and when...?

[Dylan]

Tristan man, do some research. Hit up yellow pages, hit up local mechanics as they will know somewhere. Josh - I got a full blue slip which ensures the vehicle is road worthy. The only time engineers cert. is going to be required is if police pull me up, and run me through the pits. Even with a cert., I am not protected against having that done. My car is road worthy, that's what the blue slip was for and insurance on the car will not be voided because of no engineers certificate. I am sure it could be, if I had no cat and was running way over noise or pollution emissions.

[B4TT]

Dude all I can go off is what the Guy at the RTA explained to me and also my mates wife who oversees the claims and discretion type department for a big motor vehicle insurance company.... Blue slip and pink slip doesn't cover modifications, only that the vehicle wont fall apart so, I have even tripple checked dude and she said that if the car was blue slipped without an engineers report then the place that blue slipped it can be up for big fines for passing it, also insurance will do an after accident roadworthy check and if these things were not deemed safe and legal (not by a mechanic doing a blue slip I know that because my Dad did them and had for ever and he cant legally pass a car with such modifications without and engineers report) the Insurance company will say that the modification was a factor in the crash and not cover you (this is from the insurance companies mouth also that if this case come along they would not cover it).

[Soop]

B4TT is correct. I've heard similar tales from various mechs and engineers.

[Xon]

Tristan depending on the tune, the engine should have no problem passing an emissions test. It should in fact be cleaner than the 2.2. Dylan, just because the information is hard to find doesn't mean it's a grey area dude. It just means it's hard to find. Unfortunately the RTA can fine you for what ever the hell they want whether you were ignorant of it or not because they make it your responsibility to make yourself aware of these issues. One example, the RTA has declared that all no standing zones will now become non stopping zones. They have also declared that even though they won't be able to replace all the signs in time, you can still be fined for stopping in what is legally sign-posted as a non standing zone. So. Not being well documented does not make it a grey area, it just makes it something you don't know about that you need to investigate...

[Soop]

^^^ Which spells ripofkuntdogdyrevenueraisingf*cks to me.

[JRod]

Engineering certificates are not 100% required as far as I know, however you may need to get one in the future if questioned / defected by the Police. I don't have an engineers certificate for mine, nor did I need one after re-registering post-conversion. My car had to run through a FULL blue slip (as registration had expired), which yours will have to go through a part blue slip (for engine number change). Once that's done, it's off to the RTA to pay them some money.

Be careful with it, and take your time reviewing all of your options - talking with someone ie. Police or RTA may be a good idea first. If you like, PM / email / call me and I can help to connect you with someone who may know things from a more 'official' standpoint.

Dylan - in Qld, if a motor is changed to anything different to what was originally put in there, we need a Modification Plate fitted which is the same as your Engineers cert. I copped a defect ($250 fine) for not having it so I'm a little puzzled as to why NSW wouldn't worry about something like that when they are so strict on other bits and pieces. Who did your blue slip inspection. Did you make them aware that it was a totally different motor completely (ie: out of the twin turbo model) or just a new motor (motor blew up; just replacing it with another one from the wreckers yo)? I'd suggest having a chat to a few different places down there that do blue slips/ roadworthy's/ safety certificates and tell them the full story about what you've done. Not having a go at you mate, just don't want to see you fork out money for something that could have been prevented.


BTW, aren't you supposed to be coming up here sometime soon??????

[Dylan]

Dylan - in Qld, if a motor is changed to anything different to what was originally put in there, we need a Modification Plate fitted which is the same as your Engineers cert. I copped a defect ($250 fine) for not having it so I'm a little puzzled as to why NSW wouldn't worry about something like that when they are so strict on other bits and pieces. Who did your blue slip inspection. Did you make them aware that it was a totally different motor completely (ie: out of the twin turbo model) or just a new motor (motor blew up; just replacing it with another one from the wreckers yo)? I'd suggest having a chat to a few different places down there that do blue slips/ roadworthy's/ safety certificates and tell them the full story about what you've done. Not having a go at you mate, just don't want to see you fork out money for something that could have been prevented.


BTW, aren't you supposed to be coming up here sometime soon??????

Haha not sure mate, money is a bit tight at the moment.

Yes, I got my blue slip done because my vehicle was not registered (rego expired during conversion). So not only was a blue slip needed for the engine SWAP, it was needed to get the car registered again too. The RTA registered the vehicle has having a 2.0L Turbocharged engine (its single turbo mate ) and so did the blue slip place. What I've done is legit and no corners have been cut. The RTA REQUIRE you to do everything correct, which I did and the vehicle is road registered.

I believe I need an engineers certificate for my exhaust, however the engine alone does not require one as the X-member was the same and the engine has been swapped and correctly registered through the RTA.

Dylan

[Soop]

I was under the impression the eng cert was needed due to the power increase. To Certify that the brakes and suspension was up to the task.

[Mimic]

How much would a genuine H6 engine cost to dump in a 2.5? Fully installed. Probably just as much as trading in for a 3.0 I would guess...

[SUBARU]

Well as Tristan has indicated, it's costing him upwards of 13k, so that will give you an idea. As we've said before, just trade yours and spend the difference on a 3.0 ot 2.5 T...